No, this is for the next version.
556 2019-11-28 03:42:51
Re: disable auto-synchronize (8 replies, posted in Ideas and feature requests)
557 2019-11-27 20:04:34
Re: disable auto-synchronize (8 replies, posted in Ideas and feature requests)
This was changed recently for the next version. There is now a concept of time origin that you can set in each video independently with a single click, and the synchronization will be done using the time origins of each video. I think it will make things clearer/easier. The time origin will also be saved in the KVA file so you won't have to find it again when comparing that specific video with another one.
PS: necroposting is fine on this forum ![]()
558 2019-11-27 19:23:47
Re: Video export settings? (1 replies, posted in General)
Hi,
At the moment it is hard coded. And yes the bitrate settings are very aggressive to minimize any loss of information when saving, to best support the archival use-case (e.g: splitting a long session into smaller chunks). It's the first time I hear a player complain because the bitrate is too high though… What player is it?
I've kind of tried to stay away from opening this particular can of worms :-). Codec options can become complex fast, in terms of UI and this complexity will trickle down into the code. Maybe having just two options would work, one for archival and one for web/presentation export? Maybe it can even be selected automatically based on the option to paint the drawings on the images (for archival this should never be done).
559 2019-11-27 19:01:06
Re: disable auto-synchronize (8 replies, posted in Ideas and feature requests)
For the shortcut issue, after thinking more about it, I think the best way would be to use the existing distinction of showing/hiding the common controls. There is even the F5 shortcut to toggle it already. If the common controls are hidden, the videos should really behave as two completely independent videos.
permanently lock dual video playback in their synchronized state based on the working zone starting points
I am not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify the intent?
560 2019-11-27 17:42:36
Re: Issues with delay timing (9 replies, posted in Bug reports)
Hi,
In addition to the configured framerate and the display framerate, there is also the actual, received framerate. It's possible that Kinovea is not receiving frames at the correct speed for whatever reason (low light, network conditions, camera is lying, etc.). There should be a "Signal" field in the infobar that shows up after a while. This shows the framerate received.
The way recording with delay works has completely changed in the next version, so we'll see if that fixes your particular problem. It will now always save at the camera configured framerate, display framerate is not used anymore.
It's possible the issue is that the stream received is at 30 but Kinovea wasn't able to record it fast enough to disk unless your force it down to 21. Or it's possible the stream received is at 21 in the first place. The "Signal" value should give the answer to that. Another way I use is to pause the stream and navigate in the recent frames with the delay slider to see if the stopwatch matches what the delay says.
Based on your description it looks like the actual received framerate is 21, even before attempting to record to disk. Unless the camera is lying this should be fixable by other ways (most probably adding more light to avoid triggering auto-framerate by way of auto-exposure).
For this case of the camera not sending what it's configured to, currently the best way to fix it is at playback time, by going to menu video > configure timing and fixing the framerate there. In the future I'll also see to add an option to be able to save the "received framerate" in the video, but ideally this option would be per-camera and saved in the preferences per-camera, as the goal is to fix cameras that are lying about their framerate. So as the release of the next version is coming soon, I pushed this to the roadmap for the next one.
561 2019-11-27 05:46:29
Re: Can I export side by side videos? (3 replies, posted in General)
To get more screen estate you can explicitly collapse the key image panel with the arrow on the right. You can also switch to full screen with F11 (revert to normal with F11 as well).
I agree it would be nice if the magnifier showed the drawings, and also the cursor. Then you could use it as a real magnifier… I'll have to revisit this.
562 2019-11-25 18:53:53
Re: Can I export side by side videos? (3 replies, posted in General)
Hi,
It could be a bug but I don't reproduce it at the moment. There is a "dual save" button at the bottom right, in the common controls panel, is this what you are using? Which version of Kinovea are you using?
563 2019-11-12 05:33:38
Re: Kayeton "high speed" USB camera based on OV4689 (19 replies, posted in Cameras and hardware)
Yeah, it's strange. I had seen these AMCap screenshots.
Here is what I get in AMCap and Graphedit, on multiple computers.


Gain is also not supported. Exposure handling is sketchy.
564 2019-11-05 09:10:55
Re: Timecode formats (4 replies, posted in General)
Just in case, you can show both the time and frame number simultaneously using the last menu under Options > Time.
Another time format could be "Normalized" time, where the entire video or zone would be remapped to the 0..1 range. Could be useful for comparisons.
Absolute times would be great for line scan footage, and then a way to calibrate the time span and flow of columns, and a way to show time coordinates by placing special vertical lines or points on the frames...
565 2019-11-02 15:52:56
Topic: Kayeton "high speed" USB camera based on OV4689 (19 replies, posted in Cameras and hardware)
Opening a dedicated thread on this camera as it seems fairly popular due to its price and announced specs.
It is based on the Omnivision sensor OV4689, and is advertised as 1920x1080 @ 60 fps, 1280x720 @ 120 fps and 640x360 @ 330 fps, rolling shutter, for around 100€ depending on where you source it from.
It is variously known as KYT-U400-***, RYS HFR USB2.0 Camera, Webcam UVC High Fram Rate USB Camera, Kayeton 330 fps, etc. It is made by Kayeton (Shenzhen). USB vendor ID is VID=15aa, product ID is PID=1555. (Although I would be surprised if this was a legit Id from USB-IF).
I received a unit a few days ago and so far I'm not impressed…
Issues I have on my camera:
- It cannot be configured to 1920x1080 @ 60 fps but 50 fps.
- It cannot be configured to 1280x720 @ 120 fps but 100 fps.
- When configured on 1920x1080 @ 50 fps, it is sending frames at ~49 fps.
- When configured on 1280x720 @ 100 fps, it is sending frames at ~99 fps.
- When configured on 640x360 @ 330 fps, it is sending frames at ~322 fps.
- Auto exposure can be toggled off, but changing exposure value manually doesn't have any effect.
I'm wondering if I just lost the Shenzhen roulette or if there is a different driver somewhere, or if all shipped units are actually like this. The sales rep on Alibaba is unresponsive.
If you have this camera please report whether you can configure it according to the vendor claims, in any software, thanks.
Note that Kayeton also has a "Global shutter" 1280x720 @ 120 fps camera, a different model, based on an unnammed OV sensor and doing only one resolution/framerate. If you have this one instead please state so.
Thanks
566 2019-10-27 19:16:23
Re: Observational reference - using frame from 2nd video/opacity - .8.27 (4 replies, posted in Bug reports)
Hi,
You can also use "Copy image to clipboard" and "Paste image from clipboard". But you're right, it doesn't let you change the opacity at the moment.
As a work around you can have 50% opacity between the two videos by activating the "superposition" option down in the common controls next to the synchronization button.
567 2019-10-20 09:50:05
Re: How to best cut/trim and lossless encode videos for usage in Kinovea (4 replies, posted in General)
My guess is @fajitas source video isn't MJPEG but H.264 so when asking for a specific time it lands on a non-keyframe, and the output is created with the first frame having missing reconstruction information and possibly a weird decoding timestamp if the file has B-frames (bi-directional prediction, info to rebuild the frame is stored in both adjacent keyframes). This trips Kinovea up. In any case I don't see how to turn this random frame into a full keyframe in the output without transcoding somehow...
In the next version there is a way to import a sequence of images as if it was a video, if they are named correctly like image001.png, image002.png, image003.png, etc. FFMpeg should be able to export that. Maybe an avenue to explore.
568 2019-10-16 18:26:23
Re: Delayed Startup in Version 8.27 64-bit (3 replies, posted in Bug reports)
Hi,
The first number on each log line is the total milliseconds since application startup.
The interface will be visible and fully responsive when you get to about this line:
797 - DEBUG - [Main] - FileBrowserUserInterface - Application is idle in FileBrowserUserInterface.
(So in this case a hot start, 0.797 seconds).
I made a change a few days ago that I think could help with this. I'll send you a message.
As an example, on my machine it takes ~2200 ms to get to this line on a cold start.
569 2019-10-16 17:55:24
Re: How to best cut/trim and lossless encode videos for usage in Kinovea (4 replies, posted in General)
Hi,
I'm no expert in ffmpeg command line. The issue I believe here is that the timestamp of the first frame in the output file is non-zero, possibly negative. Kinovea definitely doesn't like that. There is an attempt at handling these in the next version but I tried your command and I still have the same issue as you.
Maybe there is a way to change the PTS of the output frames. Otherwise I think you'll need to transcode in order to turn that first frame into a keyframe. I'm not sure you can cut at that exact frame without transcoding since the decoder will always miss some data for it and would likely have to start at the next keyframe.
Not sure why the quality would degrade with -g, maybe it's using the same bitrate as in the original but now all frames are fully encoded so it degrades them to keep the bitrate promise.
570 2019-10-15 15:46:48
Re: Camera advise - Logitech C922 Problems (10 replies, posted in Cameras and hardware)
I don't have a C922 but the configuration dialog should look approximately like this:

If you don't see Exposure, something must have gone wrong while looking for the properties. Maybe the driver is not up to date?
